Jules Saturn

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  Conversation with my Dad

  by jeremiah18:5-10 in

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  2. experiences

  my 73 yo dad called me tonight.

  he had just returned from the convention.

  he proceeded to tell me he can't believe that a smart and successful man like myself can be so dumb so as not to believe that jws have the truth.

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  Jules Saturn

  I get the same exact responses from my own father, it's sad actually. And I refrain from telling him the truth about his convictions so I respect it
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  To Fade or Disassociate

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello to all, so i did want to talk about this topic because i think it is very important to me.

  i have a grandfather who faded several decades ago.

  he occasionally attends an assembly and the memorial but no longer attends meetings or goes on field service.

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  I guess the only issue is that the majority of my family are still in. I've tried to explain to them that they are trapped in a high control group but whenever I do, their defense mode goes up and it's in that moment that they want nothing to do with me. Fading is the best choice but it seems a bit difficult, i know that people fade and they go to extremes such as even moving to another part of town or even another state to avoid questions from their family asking which congregation or Kingdom Hall they attend or what circuit they're in, it's ridiculous
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  "You're going to die in Armageddon"

  by Jules Saturn in

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  2. experiences

  i'm sure i am not the only one to have heard this come out of the mouths of my loved ones.

  it's a very painful thing to hear, especially when it comes from the people like your own parents/family.

  even after i've been told that, they would say "we'll just continue life without you.

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  So my father tells me last night in reference to being destroyed at Armageddon:

  "And just as it is painful for the demons to hear the reminder of their fate, it hurts, bothers you what's coming your way."

  Wow, truthfully I can say now, blood ISN'T thicker than water. What a pity
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  "You're going to die in Armageddon"

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'm sure i am not the only one to have heard this come out of the mouths of my loved ones.

  it's a very painful thing to hear, especially when it comes from the people like your own parents/family.

  even after i've been told that, they would say "we'll just continue life without you.

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  They reason with "We're trying to save you" and I try reasoning with them by asking how fear mongering is going to save me or anyone for that matter.
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  "You're going to die in Armageddon"

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'm sure i am not the only one to have heard this come out of the mouths of my loved ones.

  it's a very painful thing to hear, especially when it comes from the people like your own parents/family.

  even after i've been told that, they would say "we'll just continue life without you.

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  I'm sure I am not the only one to have heard this come out of the mouths of my loved ones. It's a very painful thing to hear, especially when it comes from the people like your own parents/family. Even after I've been told that, they would say "We'll just continue life without you." "It's okay, we won't even feel your loss because in Paradise, we won't feel pain". After having been told that, later they apologize but still, it's almost as if the apology doesn't matter if weeks later the same things are said again. How does a person respond to this? How have you responded? It can be very disturbing and distressing on an emotional and mental level.

  ~Jules
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  Hello

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hello, i've been lurking for quite some time here on this forum, reading a whole lot and i've finally made the courage to create an account as a form of escape and in hopes to be understood and not feel "mentally diseased".

  little background on me, i am a born in but i consider myself a pimo (physically in mentally out).

  i feel like i've always had doubts but these doubts would sink with the meetings and the assemblies and every other little thing that drowns any doubts a witness may have.

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  So grateful for ALL of these responses, thank you so much everyone
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  To Fade or Disassociate

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello to all, so i did want to talk about this topic because i think it is very important to me.

  i have a grandfather who faded several decades ago.

  he occasionally attends an assembly and the memorial but no longer attends meetings or goes on field service.

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  steve2

  my grandfather is well respected but unfortunately we don't visit him as often (because my parents view him as worldly). We see him at least 2-3 times a month. My parents don't like when he and I are alone together because they assume he is "poisoning my mind". I do consider him an ally.
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  To Fade or Disassociate

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello to all, so i did want to talk about this topic because i think it is very important to me.

  i have a grandfather who faded several decades ago.

  he occasionally attends an assembly and the memorial but no longer attends meetings or goes on field service.

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  What makes fading difficult is that I am still young, in my early 20s, and I still live at home with my family. A family that confidently believe in the Truth and will stick by it even if it isn't true
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  To Fade or Disassociate

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello to all, so i did want to talk about this topic because i think it is very important to me.

  i have a grandfather who faded several decades ago.

  he occasionally attends an assembly and the memorial but no longer attends meetings or goes on field service.

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  Disassociation has always been a strange concept for me, I don't even understand why there's a need to shun someone who has disassociated, apparently it's because they're shunning the organization but at this year's Royal Commission in Australia, Angus Stewart made it clear that individuals who disassociate don't shun their family or friends
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  To Fade or Disassociate

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello to all, so i did want to talk about this topic because i think it is very important to me.

  i have a grandfather who faded several decades ago.

  he occasionally attends an assembly and the memorial but no longer attends meetings or goes on field service.

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  Hello to all, so I did want to talk about this topic because I think it is very important to me. I have a grandfather who faded several decades ago. He occasionally attends an assembly and the Memorial but no longer attends meetings or goes on field service. He's told me that his reason for fading was because the Society was trying to convince him that the brothers and sisters, the organization was his family, instead of his own worldly blood family. Obviously there are several pros and cons when it comes to disassociation and fading. I'm aware that fading seems like the best route, especially because I personally wish to not lose contact with my family and friends that are still in. However I do know that if you're caught breaking the rules, then it's possible to get disfellowshipped. And then there's disassociation, where you lose your friends and family only because you wish to no longer be associated with the organization. What have been your past experiences with this and what have you done? Fade? Disassociate? I'm not asking what I should do, just asking for what people have done and what works. Thank you very much.

  ~Jules